tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.comments2019-01-22T17:43:44.985+11:00ozamwayvictimsozamwayvictimshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-21374152929820471852008-09-10T22:28:00.000+10:002008-09-10T22:28:00.000+10:00Thanks rocket,Yup, the thing is, most of these "vi...Thanks rocket,<BR/><BR/>Yup, the thing is, most of these "vital" tools are absolutely worthless in the first place. Seriously, many AMO's have hundreds of these vital cds and tapes available. Most of them with the same ole you can do it, don't give up, chase your dreams rah-rah crap. And every single one of these are vital? Pfft, don't think so. <BR/><BR/>Of course, to IBO's chasing the dream (ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-47699393321199170332008-09-08T02:55:00.000+10:002008-09-08T02:55:00.000+10:00Great Post!I'm forwarding my readers here!It is ab...Great Post!<BR/><BR/>I'm forwarding my readers here!<BR/><BR/>It is absolutely pathetic how these vital "tools" become worthless rather quickly, isn't it?<BR/><BR/>Who would think that happens in Australia?rockethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580342641830116887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-34939392894744110022008-08-15T03:29:00.000+10:002008-08-15T03:29:00.000+10:00Hey, thanks for the link and the kind words. I'm ...Hey, thanks for the link and the kind words. I'm 12 years beyond my Amway experiences, so you were probably right to disregard the site as mostly inactive; I'm just glad that adding a guest book gave readers a place to keep up communication with each other.<BR/><BR/>If you're interested, I do a regular TV show that's mainly about atheism. Recently I dedicated an episode to just talking about Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-54796113406469261842008-08-08T23:04:00.000+10:002008-08-08T23:04:00.000+10:00I wonder if Tom & Caryn are following Trevor C...I wonder if Tom & Caryn are following Trevor Chatham's who appears to be in Mona vie and doing much better than he did Amway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-72998882413661601422008-08-06T22:53:00.000+10:002008-08-06T22:53:00.000+10:00Thanks Doug for visiting and for your comment.Yup,...Thanks Doug for visiting and for your comment.<BR/><BR/>Yup, the Merchants of Deception is a must read. Whilst it is only one man's experience, it was a chilling read and quite frankly, we couldn't believe that some of the stuff really happened. However, when we read it, our loved ones had only recently joined Amway. Whilst they were indoctrinated to the system pretty much from the get-go, littleozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-63393404801959504632008-08-06T21:08:00.000+10:002008-08-06T21:08:00.000+10:00Out of the frying pan and into the fire! Hard time...Out of the frying pan and into the fire! Hard times produce desperate people. I suggest anyone interested in Amway should, no, must read "Merchants Of Deception" - just Google the title - it's free to download. Mona Vie - Check out the findings of choice magazine on the so-called superjuices. Enough said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-37540232540054158822008-08-05T23:08:00.000+10:002008-08-05T23:08:00.000+10:00Oops, link got cut off, should be:http://www.monav...Oops, link got cut off, should be:<BR/><BR/>http://www.monavie.com/pdf/<BR/>australia/distributor_application.pdfozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-5171364143320505072008-08-05T23:05:00.000+10:002008-08-05T23:05:00.000+10:00Xbeliever said: "Seriously, in the past 6 wee...Xbeliever said: "Seriously, in the past 6 weeks I have had 6 ex-amway IBOs (the highest pin being an ex-emerald) approach me about mona-vie"<BR/><BR/>Not surprised by this at all. Hmmm, do they realise that they are violating MV's rules? It seems that they are and doing so quite blatantly at that, considering that they have to certify (amongst other Amway related stuff) on the MV ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-4084222405201290392008-08-05T15:28:00.000+10:002008-08-05T15:28:00.000+10:00Lol - don't need to! Even if I did want the produc...Lol - don't need to! Even if I did want the product, I have enough people trying to recruit me now that I am sure I could probably go the next few months with just asking people to give me a bottle to try. Seriously, in the past 6 weeks I have had 6 ex-amway IBOs (the highest pin being an ex-emerald) approach me about mona-vie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-38661628147486129122008-08-04T23:18:00.000+10:002008-08-04T23:18:00.000+10:00X,just caught your post on this on Qblog...this ca...X,<BR/><BR/>just caught your post on this on Qblog...this caught our attention:<BR/><BR/>"Right now, as we speak, I have a bottle of mona-vie juice in my fridge. It was dropped of to me, without invitation I might add, by a person who, up until about 8 weeks ago, was a ruby in tom and caryn's group". <BR/><BR/>So are ya gonna sign up for auto-ship? *snickers a little*ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-59598555235648304172008-08-04T23:08:00.000+10:002008-08-04T23:08:00.000+10:00Thanks X for the IDA email, we were aware of it, j...Thanks X for the IDA email, we were aware of it, just been too busy to post about it.<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to see if indeed Tom & Caryn retire, as in "walk the beaches of the world" stuff (which is implied in their email) or if they'll pop up around the net showing them personally connected to Monavie....which we think is what your alluding to.<BR/><BR/>If so, why ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-68920652006612526222008-08-02T19:07:00.000+10:002008-08-02T19:07:00.000+10:00Yes, the tax department came down very heavilly on...Yes, the tax department came down very heavilly on people in all multi-level marketing businesses claiming deductions a few years ago. The targeted amway distibutors in particular.<BR/><BR/>By the way ... you may want to post informations concerning the latest news on the ida website which confirms that tom and caryn avelsgaard have left ida in the hands of their upline. They claim to be retiringAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-13434011936453340822008-07-30T13:05:00.000+10:002008-07-30T13:05:00.000+10:00Thanks Anon for your comment."The tools always off...Thanks Anon for your comment.<BR/><BR/>"The tools always offer more money and as such drives what we have seen".<BR/><BR/>Yep, this last sentence you wrote sums it nicely.ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-36815492795941527592008-07-28T17:20:00.000+10:002008-07-28T17:20:00.000+10:00We were part of Trevor's group in Canberra. A hug...We were part of Trevor's group in Canberra. A huge organisation that seemed to be larger than the others put together as well as being separate from the rest of IDA. Trevor always seemed to tread his own path with things like his version of the plan available as a tool.<BR/><BR/>We started to fall away in early 2000 but always felt Trevor seemed ahead of the game reading books outside the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-52260018608045266702008-07-18T13:27:00.000+10:002008-07-18T13:27:00.000+10:00Thanks for your comments X. Your posts at Qblog ar...Thanks for your comments X. Your posts at Qblog are indeed are very insightful and yet sometimes disturbing read. <BR/><BR/>Yep, also agree with you regarding the character of these Diamonds and above, are showing. They knew for many years that things are seriously wrong with this "business" and yet, they continued to promote it as "the best opportunity in the world", sucking people in fully ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-18414469552476540492008-07-18T12:20:00.000+10:002008-07-18T12:20:00.000+10:00I think it should also be remembered that all of t...I think it should also be remembered that all of the big pins who have left "the business" and now are openly critical and are exposing very damning evidence have actually had all of this knowledge for many years. Notwithstanding the fact that they knew of all the facts, they were very happy to keep the lies and deceptions going whilst they were reaping the profits from ibo's being taught to use Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-3676325660002969002008-07-17T22:24:00.000+10:002008-07-17T22:24:00.000+10:00It is absolutely fantastic to see the truth regard...It is absolutely fantastic to see the truth regarding all the lies and deceptions within "the business" and "the system" finally getting to see the light of day so that those still caught up in the nightmare of the cultlike organizations can finally be set free. The court document certainly goes a long way to revealing the true character of the so called "leaders" of these organizations. We Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-21733848151250763172008-07-12T01:45:00.000+10:002008-07-12T01:45:00.000+10:00Nice to see ya return anon...even though you won't...Nice to see ya return anon...even though you won't be back again, we'll reply to your comment anyway.<BR/><BR/>Since inception, we have had more hits on our site/blog than Amway Australia & NZ has IBO's.<BR/><BR/>We know Aus/NZ is one market and it has 80,000 IBO's (as stated on the Amway Australia website) Considering NZ is about a fifth of the pop as Australia, that's where we derived the ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-2719130672735491132008-07-11T01:00:00.000+10:002008-07-11T01:00:00.000+10:00THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE ONE LAST LOOK.MY SUSPISIONS W...THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE ONE LAST LOOK.<BR/>MY SUSPISIONS WERE RIGHT. WHEN I FOUND THIS LARGELY PLAGERISED SITE I DOULBLED THE NUMBER OF USERS!<BR/>(FROM 1 TO 2) OH WELL ITS BACK TO ONE. 79,999 LESS PEOPLE READ YOUR SITER THAN ANZ AMWAY HAS IBO'S. <BR/>I REALLY WONT CHECK IN AGAIN BUT IT WAS FUN THANKS!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Our estimate numbers of Australian IBO's are around 65,000, <BR/>Anon - "WRONG!"<BRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-65285922133236180822008-07-02T22:00:00.000+10:002008-07-02T22:00:00.000+10:00Thanks for your support and comment jkd2008. Sorry...Thanks for your support and comment jkd2008. <BR/><BR/>Sorry to hear that your sponsor was not open, honest and transparent. Well done for listening to your gut feelings and researching further. <BR/><BR/>(Hellooooo Amway IBO's, the more you continue to be deceptive with your prospects by avoiding/denying that this is Amway, the more you worsen Amways already incredibly bad reputation. And your ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-57076474083319060022008-07-02T21:28:00.000+10:002008-07-02T21:28:00.000+10:00Our estimate numbers of Australian IBO's are aroun...Our estimate numbers of Australian IBO's are around 65,000, <BR/>Anon - "WRONG!"<BR/><BR/><B>The Amway Australia website states that there are 80,000 IBO's in Australia AND New Zealand, are you saying there is more?....prove it!</B> <BR/><BR/>To earn $70K in Amway you'd have to be a Sapphire and above.<BR/>Anon - "ACTUALLY MOST PLATINUMS MAKE MORE - SO WRONG AGAIN!"<BR/><BR/><B>can you prove thisozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-4797394533929121332008-07-02T00:46:00.000+10:002008-07-02T00:46:00.000+10:00The following comment was submitted by email:"Hi,I...The following comment was submitted by email:<BR/><BR/>"Hi,<BR/><BR/>If I was Tom & Jane I wouldn't talk to you either.You claim alot of the info you found was negative & old - yet you repeat it!some of it over 20 years old.You have gone to enormous lengths to berate them - yet you don't understand Amway/Ida. If you did you wouldn't claim to want to understand more in your opening remarks.they ozamwayvictimshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14206448091672933616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-80000120943632246542008-07-02T00:40:00.000+10:002008-07-02T00:40:00.000+10:00Ask those complaining about Amway what else they s...Ask those complaining about Amway what else they succeeded at – usually nothing!<BR/>You can’t say things are STILL happening and produce no evidence from this century. <BR/>You have NO inside knowledge. <BR/><BR/>FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO!<BR/><BR/>Last week a Chinese swimmer was banned for drug use – Damming stuff!! – therefore all Olympic swimmers are bad ! – NO!!!<BR/><BR/>A NSW politician Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-16915697835129099882008-07-02T00:38:00.000+10:002008-07-02T00:38:00.000+10:00Our estimate numbers of Australian IBO's are aroun...Our estimate numbers of Australian IBO's are around 65,000, <BR/>WRONG!<BR/> To earn $70K in Amway you'd have to be a Sapphire and above.<BR/>ACTUALLY MOST PLATINUMS MAKE MORE - SO WRONG AGAIN!<BR/> so we are going on info that we have and that is in the 2008 phone book<BR/>MANY MANY CHOOSE NOT TO LIST SO WRONG AGAIN!<BR/>can we still call ourselves millionaires because we were once? NO! -<BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6053713881060348194.post-4159408499053081662008-07-02T00:28:00.000+10:002008-07-02T00:28:00.000+10:00you're a victim remember - why do you care?good -...you're a victim remember - why do you care?<BR/><BR/>good - the reality is you wouldnt be in there anyway and if you were you wouldnt give any data. do you give it to coles - na!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com